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RichardH
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Posted - 15 Jun 2012 :  12:11:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I suspect Warewolf means they've posted on their wall on Facebook about it to let their friends know and to encourage them to submit responses as well.
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Warewolf
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Posted - 15 Jun 2012 :  13:43:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RichardH

I suspect Warewolf means they've posted on their wall on Facebook about it to let their friends know and to encourage them to submit responses as well.



Spot on!
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WickenMan
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Posted - 16 Jun 2012 :  18:05:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In an e-mail to us from Biffa dated 16th June 2012 from Jeff Rhodes, Company Planning & Permitting Manager, Biffa Group has said:

“[I]t is the quarrying rate which dictates the infill/restoration rate and, ultimately, its completion, not the other way around. In basic terms, we cannot fill a hole which has not yet been dug and once it is dug we are required under the planning consent to fill it and restore it, in accordance with approved restoration contours and scheme. ... Cemex will be applying to extend the quarrying end date because they will not have completed the quarrying by the 2015 quarrying end date. Consequently, neither can the required infilling and restoration scheme be completed by the 2017 date.
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Wareite1969
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Posted - 16 Jun 2012 :  18:47:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by WickenMan

In an e-mail to us from Biffa dated 16th June 2012 from Jeff Rhodes, Company Planning & Permitting Manager, Biffa Group has said:

“[I]t is the quarrying rate which dictates the infill/restoration rate and, ultimately, its completion, not the other way around. In basic terms, we cannot fill a hole which has not yet been dug and once it is dug we are required under the planning consent to fill it and restore it, in accordance with approved restoration contours and scheme. ... Cemex will be applying to extend the quarrying end date because they will not have completed the quarrying by the 2015 quarrying end date. Consequently, neither can the required infilling and restoration scheme be completed by the 2017 date.




So my earlier post was correct then. I will be emailing my objections in the strongest terms to any extension of the types of waste imported in addition to any extension of time on site.

I think it's important to object on both counts separately as I do think (especially if the quarry is also applying for an extension) that we may lose any argument on time frame but must not allow additional types of waste. This may well be the start of any additional applications for waste facilities in the future.
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Scouter
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 :  09:24:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
18 02 03: animal carcasses, animal faeces, soiled animal bedding, vermin, soiled dressings and swabs, animal tissue

18 01 04: used stoma bags, hospital domestic waste, used incontinence pads, microbiological waste, infectious linen, infectious materials, used nappies

20 01 99: feminine hygiene waste from shops and offices, dog faeces from collection bins, sharps waste, tattooing & body piercing and substance abuse




Graphic reminder to send in an objection email.
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John_D
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 :  09:54:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by WickenMan

In an e-mail to us from Biffa dated 16th June 2012 from Jeff Rhodes, Company Planning & Permitting Manager, Biffa Group has said:

“[I]t is the quarrying rate which dictates the infill/restoration rate and, ultimately, its completion, not the other way around. In basic terms, we cannot fill a hole which has not yet been dug and once it is dug we are required under the planning consent to fill it and restore it, in accordance with approved restoration contours and scheme. ... Cemex will be applying to extend the quarrying end date because they will not have completed the quarrying by the 2015 quarrying end date. Consequently, neither can the required infilling and restoration scheme be completed by the 2017 date.




Surely if they haven't dug the hole to the maximum possible depth by the subscribed time it will be required to fill it in and restore the land to meet the 2017 deadline a shallower hole will be quicker to fill. Sounds like a win win situation to me.
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WickenMan
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 :  00:19:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cemex lose profits. Biffa loses profits. Maybe they don't see this as a win win situation.
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John_D
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 :  10:05:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by WickenMan

Cemex lose profits. Biffa loses profits. Maybe they don't see this as a win win situation.



I wasn't considering Biffa's feelings/profits when I posted
If they can't organise their hole digging and gravel extraction in the time that has been given to them to allow them to fulfil their obligation to restore the site by 2017 then TOUGH!

Edited by - John_D on 20 Jun 2012 10:09:04
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WickenMan
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 :  10:24:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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I wasn't considering Biffa's feelings/profits when I posted
If they can't organise their hole digging and gravel extraction in the time that has been given to them to allow them to fulfil their obligation to restore the site by 2017 then TOUGH!


Couldn't agree more....
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Wareite1969
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 :  10:34:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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If they can't organise their hole digging and gravel extraction in the time that has been given to them to allow them to fulfil their obligation to restore the site by 2017 then TOUGH!



It's Cemex that dig the site not Biffa. According to the earlier post they are applying for an extension to their time on site also. If you feel we should take the 'you're out of time so TOUGH' approach then you are also happy leaving behind the aggregates that haven't been dug. This will impact future infrastructure / building costs.

The site is a very complex balance between the Aggregate company and it's market place versus Biffa and it's local responsibilities. That is why we need to make sure we are fighting the right battle for everyone and I feel the most important one is the extension of waste types.
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John_D
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 :  13:49:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wareite1969

quote:

If they can't organise their hole digging and gravel extraction in the time that has been given to them to allow them to fulfil their obligation to restore the site by 2017 then TOUGH!



It's Cemex that dig the site not Biffa. According to the earlier post they are applying for an extension to their time on site also. If you feel we should take the 'you're out of time so TOUGH' approach then you are also happy leaving behind the aggregates that haven't been dug. This will impact future infrastructure / building costs.

The site is a very complex balance between the Aggregate company and it's market place versus Biffa and it's local responsibilities. That is why we need to make sure we are fighting the right battle for everyone and I feel the most important one is the extension of waste types.


Am I alone in seeing this 'extension of waste types" a concessionary smoke screen, to be backed down on only to leave Biffa with the time extension beyond 2017 that they really want? Anyway, stop Biffa from extending their stay beyond 2017 and the issue of 'extension of waste types' goes away with them.
As for leaving aggregate in the hole, what's the problem, it's been there since the last Ice Age?
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Scottman
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 :  14:14:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry but I don't see this as any concern of the long suffering residents of Ware. Planning permission was given for
extraction of materials for a defined length of time, and filling of the resultant holes for another defined period of time. The activities then stop.
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John_D
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 :  14:54:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Scottman

Sorry but I don't see this as any concern of the long suffering residents of Ware. Planning permission was given for
extraction of materials for a defined length of time, and filling of the resultant holes for another defined period of time. The activities then stop.


Exactly, Biffa is due to vacate the site by 2017, with it restored to green belt. Goodbye Biffa.
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WickenMan
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Posted - 27 Jun 2012 :  16:44:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Unqualified support from Mark Prisk, MP.

Letter from Mark Prisk to the Environment Agency:


Edited by - WickenMan on 27 Jun 2012 16:44:25
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Wareite1969
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Posted - 27 Jun 2012 :  18:37:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like one battle won !!

http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/Hertfordshire/Biffa-shelves-controversial-Energy-from-Waste-plans-for-Westmill-27062012.htm
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Scottman
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Posted - 27 Jun 2012 :  19:25:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now that is very good news................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Warewolf
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Posted - 27 Jun 2012 :  19:38:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Agree, fantastic news!
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mb1
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Posted - 27 Jun 2012 :  20:06:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is great news. Now we just have to make sure that Biffa stick to the planning terms and get out the site by 2017, with it returned to meadow as part of the green belt.
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