Topic ID 5099
The Hertford and Ware Scene says that the lollipop lady who looks after the kids of St Catherine's and Chauncy at the Fanshawe Crescent/Park Road junction was knocked down, and then the driver drove off. She was taken to hospital but luckily has just a bruised hip. See: http://networkedblogs.com/j5vSv If anyone was around earlier and might have seen something please contact the Police at HErtford- St Cath's was closed today so we didn't. Our lollipop lady is really lovely, and the kids all really like her. I hope the driver gets caught.
Reply ID 58882
sorry to hear that hope they catch the person concerned. My husband is a lollipop man.
Reply ID 58890
I am sad to read this :( I send my love and wishes to the lollipop lady, may she feel better soon xx. I hope they catch who ever did this too!
Reply ID 58893
She is such a lovely person. When I come out of Fanshaw gym, she always steps into the road for me, and I am an adult ! I hope they catch the person who has injured her.
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Originally posted by mb1
The Hertford and Ware Scene says that the lollipop lady who looks after the kids of St Catherine's and Chauncy at the Fanshawe Crescent/Park Road junction was knocked down, and then the driver drove off. She was taken to hospital but luckily has just a bruised hip. See: http://networkedblogs.com/j5vSv If anyone was around earlier and might have seen something please contact the Police at HErtford- St Cath's was closed today so we didn't. Our lollipop lady is really lovely, and the kids all really like her. I hope the driver gets caught.
Reply ID 58914
Got a message yesterday that the car is a gold/bronze 2011 Jag or Lexus -TL11 .... The driver stopped long enough for the lollipop lady to get off the bonnet and then drove off into Harris' Lane. The Police are investigating but as of yesterday GSK security were not being very helpful. That's shocking.
Reply ID 58922
Er...mb1 ...please explain why GSK Security might be relevant ?
Reply ID 58924
This is disgusting. I really don't understand how somebody could do that and just drive off. Its heartless. Best wishes to the lady concerned and hope she makes a full recovery.
Reply ID 58928
quote:Security cameras maybe?
Originally posted by Scottman
Er...mb1 ...please explain why GSK Security might be relevant ?
Reply ID 58929
apparently the lady has been signed off for a week. we have been down to the school today to speak to parents and wellwishers
Reply ID 58934
They have a list of all the cars that have permission to park in GSK.Since very many cars come down Fanshawe Crescent and go to GSK it is a reasonable line of inquiry to establish whether or not it is one of their listed cars. Even with only the first four numbers of the registration that should be possible. It might or might not be, but one would have thought that GSK would want to be helpful on the matter. Perhaps they are now.
Reply ID 58940
From experience GSK Security would always co-operate, if there was the slightest chance it could be relevant ...
Reply ID 58957
quote:Would it not be better to get the Police to look this up on the DVLA register? Surely they have much better resources to do this than GSK? I hope she makes a full recovery soon and the perpetrator is caught.
Originally posted by mb1
They have a list of all the cars that have permission to park in GSK.Since very many cars come down Fanshawe Crescent and go to GSK it is a reasonable line of inquiry to establish whether or not it is one of their listed cars. Even with only the first four numbers of the registration that should be possible. It might or might not be, but one would have thought that GSK would want to be helpful on the matter. Perhaps they are now.
Reply ID 59003
Some good news to wrap this one up. Our lollipop lady is recovering and will be back at work Monday. Meanwhile, after local pressure on GSK they leaned on the culprit who has come forward. The Police were investigating but had not got around to asking GSK if the offending car was in their carpark! With impatient traffic trying to get to work cutting through Fanshawe Crescent and hundreds of kids crossing, the Fanshawe Crescent/Park Road junction is a nightmare in the mornings. Hopefully, the publicity around this (I see it's in the Mercury) might encourage drivers to take an extra minute or two on their way to work.
Reply ID 59005
quote:...or maybe this busy junction needs to be changed to avoid similar incidents in the future. Good luck, lollipop lady, I am glad you are on the mend and that your injuries were not too serious.
Originally posted by mb1
Some good news to wrap this one up. Our lollipop lady is recovering and will be back at work Monday. Meanwhile, after local pressure on GSK they leaned on the culprit who has come forward. The Police were investigating but had not got around to asking GSK if the offending car was in their carpark! With impatient traffic trying to get to work cutting through Fanshawe Crescent and hundreds of kids crossing, the Fanshawe Crescent/Park Road junction is a nightmare in the mornings. Hopefully, the publicity around this (I see it's in the Mercury) might encourage drivers to take an extra minute or two on their way to work.
Reply ID 59006
Sadly if ASDA get their way it will get much , much worse as the traffic will increase exponentially and drivers will be even more agitated at the time they are losing on this cut through. I don't understand why this junction has no fully marked out pedestrian crossing.
Reply ID 59012
quote:Is someone who is prepared to run down a lollypop lady going to stop for a couple of kids on a crossing?
Originally posted by mb1
I don't understand why this junction has no fully marked out pedestrian crossing.
Reply ID 59013
quote:I doubt the guy was prepared to run down anyone, he/she made a misjudgement (a very bad one) so to make it seem it was intentional is harsh. I'm sure we can all admit to making driving errors that we have got away with!! The guy is being dealt with by the police and it must be hoped that GSK promote the use of the longer route.
Originally posted by spearquote:Is someone who is prepared to run down a lollypop lady going to stop for a couple of kids on a crossing?
Originally posted by mb1
I don't understand why this junction has no fully marked out pedestrian crossing.
Reply ID 59014
quote:and if it had been a couple of kids on a crossing?
Originally posted by Andy Bquote:I doubt the guy was prepared to run down anyone, he/she made a misjudgement (a very bad one)
Originally posted by spearquote:Is someone who is prepared to run down a lollypop lady going to stop for a couple of kids on a crossing?
Originally posted by mb1
I don't understand why this junction has no fully marked out pedestrian crossing.
Reply ID 59015
quote:Making a mis-judgement is one thing, but driving away from the scene when the driver must have known they had hit her is totally unacceptable... I cannot believe that you trying to defend their actions?
Originally posted by Andy Bquote:I doubt the guy was prepared to run down anyone, he/she made a misjudgement (a very bad one) so to make it seem it was intentional is harsh. I'm sure we can all admit to making driving errors that we have got away with!! The guy is being dealt with by the police and it must be hoped that GSK promote the use of the longer route.
Originally posted by spearquote:Is someone who is prepared to run down a lollypop lady going to stop for a couple of kids on a crossing?
Originally posted by mb1
I don't understand why this junction has no fully marked out pedestrian crossing.
Reply ID 59017
I guess everyone must be getting pretty fit, with all the jumping to conclusions inherent in this string. What happened to 'innocent until proven guilty' ? How deliberate was this incident ? Did the driver really not stop ? At all ? And did GSK really have to be 'leaned on' to provide the identity ? To Andy B's point - GSK has for years promoted to all staff, visitors and deliveries the Park Road route to get to its sites, ever since it paid for that route (and the front of site parking at Chauncy School) to be improved (heads directly to nuclear bunker for a while ...)
Reply ID 59018
To be fair Scottman, the OP was about the hit and run that was reported by Scene First on [url="http://www.scenefirst.co.uk/news/ware_lollipop_lady_in_hit_and_run_incident_1_919563"]their website.[/url] Interesting point about the route staff are encouraged to take. I thought they absolutely HAD to use the Park Road route and NEVER use Fanshawe Cresent whic was the whole point in putting in the mini roadabout outside the Worppell. It was a long time ago, but I seem to remember in the local press reported that Fanshawe Cresent would be out-of-bounds to Glaxo staff driving in.
Reply ID 59019
quote:While I agree folk should be encouraged not to use Fanshawe Crescent, surely this can never be enforced? Aren't all the roads we're talking about public roads that can be used by everyone? I think employees are told not to use Fanshawe Crescent but it's impossible to prevent them. What about the school traffic, should that be banned too? Surely in peak hours that must account for a significant proportion of the traffic. Personally I think the junction should have traffic lights at least during peak hours, it's always been a nightmare in hte mornings an evening rush hours.
Originally posted by Craig Interesting point about the route staff are encouraged to take. I thought they absolutely HAD to use the Park Road route and NEVER use Fanshawe Cresent whic was the whole point in putting in the mini roadabout outside the Worppell. It was a long time ago, but I seem to remember in the local press reported that Fanshawe Cresent would be out-of-bounds to Glaxo staff driving in.
Reply ID 59020
quote:No. Some routes are closed to through traffic. The Bengeo "Rat Run" comes to mind, so it can be enforeced if it were to be required.
Aren't all the roads we're talking about public roads that can be used by everyone?
Reply ID 59021
(message relayed from Scottman, who is away in a safe place just now...) 'He did understand that the original source was the Scene, and found that equally swift to judgment. But that is about newspapers, whereas WoL is about sane and sensible people talking about their own community'. To Craig's point, he said something along the lines 'that no employer can demand a certain behaviour of its staff beyond the bounds of its site. It can request and encourage, and monitor, but it cannot make it happen. Normal rules of the road apply outside, and Fanshawe Crescent is a public road, traffic for the use of.'
Reply ID 59023
quote:That's cut the membership down [:)] Craig, you had better cancel my registration.
Originally posted by Scottman
...... WoL is about sane and sensible people talking about their own community'.
Reply ID 59024
quote:Craig has left the forum. [;)]
Originally posted by spearquote:That's cut the membership down [:)] Craig, you had better cancel my registration.
Originally posted by Scottman
...... WoL is about sane and sensible people talking about their own community'.
Reply ID 59025
quote:It's gone very quiet in here all of a sudden - is there anyone there?
Originally posted by Adminquote:Craig has left the forum. [;)]
Originally posted by spearquote:That's cut the membership down [:)] Craig, you had better cancel my registration.
Originally posted by Scottman
...... WoL is about sane and sensible people talking about their own community'.
Reply ID 59026
whereas WoL is about sane and sensible people ............. ------------------------------------------------------------ Eh?
Reply ID 59027
quote:Ah so he was the driver and is now in custody [;)]
Originally posted by Scottman
(message relayed from Scottman, who is away in a safe place just now...)
Reply ID 59028
My son goes to St Catherines and the whole area is very busy from ALL directions in the morning. I don't know what the answer would be to help 'relieve' the traffic problem but have noticed the head from both St Catherines and Chauncy about in the mornings, whether this is related to what happened or something else but something needs to be done before someone is seriously hurt. I'm glad someone has come forward to this incident and that the lollipop lady is on the mend.
Reply ID 59029
quote:Message from Scottman ......'ANOTHER jump to conclusions !!!'
Originally posted by Winter Ah so he was the driver and is now in custody [;)]
Reply ID 59030
Yeah, we're not telling anyone your guilty secret Scottman, that you're the lollipop lady!!!
Reply ID 59033
He will be so ashamed when I tell him he's rumbled ....
Reply ID 59034
quote:I was not defending the driver, Spear was indicating the driver was prepared to run the lollypop lady down and I do not believe that is true, I doubt anyone having an accident gets into their vehicle with the intention of crashing. If there is anyone on WOL who has/does then they can correct me. Failling to stop at the scene of an accident is an offence and he/she will be dealt with by the courts.
Originally posted by Azzzaquote:Making a mis-judgement is one thing, but driving away from the scene when the driver must have known they had hit her is totally unacceptable... I cannot believe that you trying to defend their actions?
Originally posted by Andy Bquote:I doubt the guy was prepared to run down anyone, he/she made a misjudgement (a very bad one) so to make it seem it was intentional is harsh. I'm sure we can all admit to making driving errors that we have got away with!! The guy is being dealt with by the police and it must be hoped that GSK promote the use of the longer route.
Originally posted by spearquote:Is someone who is prepared to run down a lollypop lady going to stop for a couple of kids on a crossing?
Originally posted by mb1
I don't understand why this junction has no fully marked out pedestrian crossing.
Reply ID 59036
The bottom of Fanshawe Crescent is a nightmare on school mornings. Heavy Glaxo and school run traffic and impatient (Glaxo and school run) drivers, compounded with parents using Fanshawe Cresent as a school car park, make this a very dangerous place to be in the mornings.
Reply ID 59060
quote:Hmm, yes and no... It is a pretty busy part of Ware, granted. But is nothing compared with roads around many schools elsewhere in the country (thankfully!)
Originally posted by Bakewell
The bottom of Fanshawe Crescent is a nightmare on school mornings. Heavy Glaxo and school run traffic and impatient (Glaxo and school run) drivers, compounded with parents using Fanshawe Cresent as a school car park, make this a very dangerous place to be in the mornings.
Reply ID 59062
Totally agree with you Bakewell, as a past resident of Park Road, what were the council thinking of when allowing a nursery to open at the back of Park Road , for the parents would clog up both sides of the road with their cars, this was the case 10 years ago and presume it is still the same. I remember when the parents of children at Sele School , turned out en mass to show the authorities what would happen when the proposed closure of their school was iminent ( thankfully it did not happen)with plans to send them to Chauncy . The whole morning was chaos .
Reply ID 59063
I attended many meetings with Glaxo's when development plans were proposed in the 80's ( then passed), it was suggested that a spur off the A10 direct to the Glaxo car park was an option, costs were discussed , and finally Glaxo refused to foot the bill, in the big scheme of things it was a relative cheap exercise, a real way of showing local residents that they cared,and of course you would not have the traffic problems now discussed
Reply ID 59066
quote:You think it's bad now? Just wait until ASDA arrives! OK, I know...... I'll get my coat!
Originally posted by Bakewell
The bottom of Fanshawe Crescent is a nightmare on school mornings. Heavy Glaxo and school run traffic and impatient (Glaxo and school run) drivers, compounded with parents using Fanshawe Cresent as a school car park, make this a very dangerous place to be in the mornings.
Reply ID 59068
I was going to make the point about ASDA too trev, but then decided it was off topic!!! Glad to see our lollipop lady back on duty this morning, fully recovered.
Reply ID 59069
quote:Interesting how often this old chestnut is still trotted out. But it is largely horse manure. This idea was discussed in the late 80s/very early 90s, and failed for two key reasons. First, it required a fairly immediate junction off the Watton Road after the A10 roundabout, and the then Ministry of Transport refused permission for it. Second, the access road would have been built across (reclaimed and original) green belt land and require a separate bridge across the river. This too was rejected by planners. The potential cost was considerable (I recall c £5 million), but to my knowledge Glaxo (as it was then) never got to pronounce on whether that might be acceptable or not. In the relatively cash rich era of that time, I somehow doubt that the cost alone would have been the issue. Now it absolutely would
Originally posted by westpark
I attended many meetings with Glaxo's when development plans were proposed in the 80's ( then passed), it was suggested that a spur off the A10 direct to the Glaxo car park was an option, costs were discussed , and finally Glaxo refused to foot the bill, in the big scheme of things it was a relative cheap exercise, a real way of showing local residents that they cared,and of course you would not have the traffic problems now discussed
Reply ID 59091
According to the Mercury website, the driver has turned himself in
Reply ID 59125
Thank goodness for that! thanks VicarageRoader! I wish the Lollipop person well and send best Wishes xxxxxx
Reply ID 59127
Sadly this will be a moot point as I understand that crossing patrols are on the list of upcoming cuts?
Reply ID 59137
I can't believe that someone actually pays a lollipop lady to press the pelican crossing button at the crossing out of Ware on the road to Hertford just past the old police station. What a waste of school money that could be spent on books.
Reply ID 59138
Hadn't heard about possible cuts Warewolf. Will make enquiries.
Reply ID 59140
quote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13841756
Originally posted by mb1
Hadn't heard about possible cuts Warewolf. Will make enquiries.
Reply ID 59152
quote:I am amazed how people can reply with such knowledge , yet use such phrases as 'horse manure' and old 'chestnut'.I am sure that scottman was aware that most of the developments of the last 20/30 years along Park Road were on Green belt land and that initially most were turned down, but under various pledges to community welfare etc , local councillors, planners, were under pressure to approve and support such developments. I personally sat in on a meeting where the spur off the A10 direct to the car park was discussed , and the costs being met by 'Glaxo'. To keep the 'image' of helping the local community , what would be better as a PR execise , the spur road or , lets say a new football ground as long as we can develop on the old one ?(initially planning would have been impossible). This was all at the time in which the quote " what would Ware be without Glaxo" was being used on a regular basis as they employed over 2000 people , so pressure was immense on authorities to grant approval for such developments. Getting back to the original thread , am glad that the Lollipop lady is well and that the motorist has come forward.
Originally posted by Scottmanquote:Interesting how often this old chestnut is still trotted out. But it is largely horse manure. This idea was discussed in the late 80s/very early 90s, and failed for two key reasons. First, it required a fairly immediate junction off the Watton Road after the A10 roundabout, and the then Ministry of Transport refused permission for it. Second, the access road would have been built across (reclaimed and original) green belt land and require a separate bridge across the river. This too was rejected by planners. The potential cost was considerable (I recall c £5 million), but to my knowledge Glaxo (as it was then) never got to pronounce on whether that might be acceptable or not. In the relatively cash rich era of that time, I somehow doubt that the cost alone would have been the issue. Now it absolutely would
Originally posted by westpark
I attended many meetings with Glaxo's when development plans were proposed in the 80's ( then passed), it was suggested that a spur off the A10 direct to the Glaxo car park was an option, costs were discussed , and finally Glaxo refused to foot the bill, in the big scheme of things it was a relative cheap exercise, a real way of showing local residents that they cared,and of course you would not have the traffic problems now discussed