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Topic ID 89
noise pollution from aircraft
i know i know- its a subject we've all discussed before . At 4.30 am this morning i was woken up by a very low flying passenger jet . This contravenes regulations banning flights after 11pm . I know from previous posts that one forum user is a pilot using Stansted - please could you advise to whom i address a complaint regarding this specific incident . The airline in question should be fined and made to pay compensation.
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Reply ID 362
Ray...interesting concept... 1. How much compensation would you want from an airline for waking you up? 2. Do you think they'd pay it?
Reply ID 365
i'm not sure how it works but they are definately in contravention of the rules somewhere . Stansted should easily be able to pinpoint which flight that was , given the time of its arrival , so i just want some guidance on how to make a complaint.
Reply ID 366
Snipped from [url="http://www.nsca.org.uk/leaf125.htm"]http://www.nsca.org.uk/[/url] Complaints Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted are responsible for complaints about aircraft noise, including ground noise and have their own 24 hour lines: Heathrow: 0800 344844 Gatwick: 0800 393070 Stansted: 0800 243788
Reply ID 372
Thanks Craig - i'm on it .
Reply ID 382
Over the weekend I have also noticed a resumption of planes flying past 11pm at night, after a break of several weeks. I would also like the pilot who often corresponds on this issue to tell me whether this is due to the winds changing (always think of Mary Poppins when I use that phrase) as he had suggested before. Also, whether we are in for another block of low-flyers or whether this is short term.
Reply ID 387
I'm a little intrigued by all this as I can quite honestly say that I have not heard any of these aircraft during the late evening let alone been woken by them. I would have thought that if the aircraft had been very low and disturb a large number of people it would have made the Mercury. I am not saying these aircraft were not heard but is it a case that if you are a light sleeper you are woken easily anyway or if you have a problem with aircraft over Ware in general you are tuned into listening for them in your subconscious. I have to admit that I find Kids with very loud car radio's more of a problem but they do not wake me up. I will now "keep an ear to the sky" for low flyers.
Reply ID 452
Greetings all. Got to add that aircraft are roaring in most nights well in excess of 1am let alone 11pm. They then start again come 7am leaving little time for proper sleep. It seems to have got far worse this year. The aircraft noise IS excessive as well. I have reported numerous incidents to the following:- stanstednoiseline@baa.com but apart from an auto-reply hear nothing further, except.....aircraft noise - what else
Reply ID 454
Having taken part in this issue on 26th November I have as said listened for these noisy aircraft and can say that not only have I not heard any as late as reported but I have not been woken up by any. I think the people complaining are sleeping in tents or have nothing better to think about so their subconcious is looking for something to worry about. I have asked friends and family if they have a problem with the aircraft and cannot find anyone complaining, most just do not take any notice of them. Maybe "it's nice to have something to complain about". Sorry, but I do not think there is a problem and the Stanstead expansion will be a benefit to the area, more jobs means more people requiring more shops and services. Can I take that these few people complaining never go on holiday by air?
Reply ID 456
These aircraft do fly over Ware and they are loud.
Wareshome - Because you sleep soundly doesn't mean these planes aren't flying over. At 1.00am in the morning, you can't fail to hear them, unless your house is a sealed vacuum with double glassing.
Lets not use this forum for personal insult... This is a genuine problem for some.
It must be something to do with where you live in the Town.
Have you seen this map which indicates the flights over Ware. Ware is hidden under the red curve on the bottom left of the picture.
Click it for a larger image.
[url="http://www.stopstanstedexpansion.com/images/maps/stansted_flights_1177x800.jpg"]
![http://www.stopstanstedexpansion.com/images/maps/stansted_flights_1177x800.jpg"] src="http://www.stopstanstedexpansion.com/images/maps/stansted_flights_1177x800.jpg"] border=0>[/url] Planes do flyover over Ware at night, not all the time, but when they do you know it. And the Stanstead Expansion, Well it's good for... erm I'm not sure yet. Certainly the destruction of villages and a huge section of countryside and isn't good for us is it? My main worry is that the Air Traffic Control system can just about cope with the current amount of air traffic. Add hundreds more aircraft and it is going to get dangerous. And to conclude, I've heard that the new runway will mean less air traffic over Ware as it'll take the planes over someone elses heads.](http://www.stopstanstedexpansion.com/images/maps/stansted_flights_1177x800.jpg){kind=link}
Reply ID 457
Thanks for that CRAIG. I am new to all this but I instantly got the impression that 'Wareshome' and family must sleep without even a smallest of windows open. We are up on the North of Ware and the noise as stated can be incredible. It's as though the Pilots have made an error of judgement and are having to increase engine speed in order to rectify a sudden problem. Oh and by the way, I travel abroad by air at least 5 times a year for holidays, that's without going out to visit friends and family. I have also done shift work for the last 30 years which included a week of nights every fourth week and was always able to sleep undisturbed then. It's only over the last year and a half or so that the noise has increased at this level and disturbed my sleep at night. God help us if it gets worse!
Reply ID 458
Wareshome, You must be in a minority of one if you believe that the Stansted expansion will be a benefit to the area. The truth about the expansion and its local effects is simple - * If the proposal for three new runways were to go ahead, it would make Stansted twice the current size of Heathrow (in terms of flights / passengers) In any case - * The area has a very low unemployment rate and therefore thousands of new houses would need to be built to service the employment requirements of the airport - most of this would need to be on Green Belt land that is part of some lovely countryside * The transport connections to Stansted are not particularly good - and the improvements to the A120 and M11 won't really make that much difference once passenger numbers soar. Furthermore, the train service to the Airport is unlikely to see radical improvement in the near future. Any substantial improvement would require new sets of tracks - which, again, would need to be built on the Green Belt in many places * Air and noise pollution would obviously increase I am not a NIMBYist, just looking at the facts - any expansion at Stansted would jeppodise the countryside and the quality of people's lives. The extra jobs created (that, due to the low unemployment levels, cannot be covered by the local population) will require a housing explosion in the local area at the detriment of the Green Belt. And another thing - if there are not supposed to be any flights after 11pm, why are there 5 scheduled to arrive at 23:20 each week night?
Reply ID 461
I must say, I am impressed with all this, I am quite liking it. To add further to the previous message, take a look at live flight arrivals tonight for Stansted on the following http://www.baa.co.uk/main/airports/stansted/flight_arrivals_frame.html and you will clearly see what we are in for tonight. There is even a flight namely AMM296D due in from Tenerife at 03:15 hours.
Reply ID 462
Craig I sorry that you believe the comments I made were "personal insult" they are not, it is a fact that if something annoys you the mind concentrates on it so becoming more aware of it. I sleep all year round with a window open and the only aircraft I have heard of a late evening are the helicopters that use the route following the A10. If one cannot make comment without being accused of personal insult then it is not worth making any contribution to the forum.
Reply ID 463
Wareshome, please accept my apologies and continue to post.
I'm one of those people who have "Nothing better to think about" you see.
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It's not, but when we do have a complaint I'd prefer not to be labeled as someone who has nothing better to do... otherwise it's not worth making any contribution to the forum
"Maybe it's nice to have something to complain about".
Reply ID 470
Some very interesting comments here-- I'm afraid I'm probably one of the culprits! My airline does the Royal Mail contract to Edinburgh every night and our last flight back into Stansted is usually about 15 minutes after midnight. At the moment becuase of the volume of mail we often do a second return trip which arrives back at Stansted about 0330am. This winter there has been a lot of easterly winds which cause the arrival to overfly Ware. Rest assured I make every attempt to stay on the high side of the allowed profile as do most of the pilots in my airline. The more noisy arrivals are probably larger jets flown by crew not familiar with the local geography. I must say however that I rarely notice overflying traffic during the night at this time of year when windows are usually closed (and I am a very light sleeper!)
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